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SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549
FORM 8-K
CURRENT REPORT
Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d)
of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Date of report (date of earliest event reported): November 5, 2008
DAWSON GEOPHYSICAL COMPANY
(Exact name of Registrant as specified in its charter)
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508 W. WALL, SUITE 800
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Registrants telephone number, including area code: (432) 684-3000
(Former name or former address, if changed since last report)
Check the appropriate box below if the Form 8-K filing is intended to simultaneously satisfy the
filing obligation of the registrant under any of the following provisions (see General Instruction
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Item 7.01. Regulation FD Disclosure.
On November 5, 2008, Dawson Geophysical Company (the Company) held an investors conference
call. Furnished as Exhibit 99.1 is a copy of the transcript of the Companys presentation during
that call and the questions and answers following the presentation.
Pursuant to the rules and regulations of the Securities and Exchange Commission, the
information set forth in this Item 7.01 and in the attached Exhibit is deemed to be furnished and
shall not be deemed to be filed under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the
Exchange Act).
In accordance with the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act
of 1995, the Company cautions that statements in the Exhibit which are forward-looking and which
provide other than historical information involve risks and uncertainties that may materially
affect the Companys actual results of operations. These risks include, but are not limited to,
dependence upon energy industry spending, the volatility of oil and gas prices, high fixed costs of
operations, weather interruptions, the ability to obtain land access rights of way, operational
disruptions, industry competition, the ability to manage growth and the availability of capital
resources. A discussion of these and other factors, including risks and uncertainties, is set
forth in the Companys Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended September 30, 2007. The Company
disclaims any intention or obligation to revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result
of new information, future events, or otherwise.
Item 9.01. Financial Statements and Exhibits.
(d) Exhibits
In accordance with General Instruction B.2 of Form 8-K, the information set forth in the
attached Exhibit 99.1 is deemed to be furnished and shall not be deemed to be filed for
purposes of the Exchange Act.
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SIGNATURES
Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly
caused this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
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Nov. 05. 2008 / 10:00AM, DWSN Q4 2008 Dawson Geophysical Earnings Conference Call
C O R P O R A T E P A R T I C I P A N T S
Steve Jumper
Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Christina Hagan
Dawson Geophysical Company EVP, Secretary, Treasurer, & CFO
C O N F E R E N C E C A L L P A R T I C I P A N T S
Marshall Adkins
Raymond James Analyst
Neal Dingmann
Dahlman Rose & Co. Analyst
Pierre Conner
Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
Byron Pope
Tudor Pickering & Co. SEC Analyst
Cindy Du
Jefferies & Co. Analyst
P R E S E N T A T I O N
Operator
Good morning ladies and gentlemen. My name is Laurie and I will be your conference operator today.
At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Dawson Geophysical Fourth Quarter 2008
Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the
speakers remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session.
(Operator Instructions)
At this time, it is my pleasure to turn the conference over to the President and Chief Executive
Officer Mr. Steve Jumper. Please go ahead, sir.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Thank you,
Laurie. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Dawson Geophysical Companys Fourth
Quarter And
Fiscal Year-End 2008 Earnings And Operations Conference Call. As Laurie said, my name is Steve
Jumper; I am President and Chief Executive Officer of the Company. Joining me on the call today are
Christina Hagan, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Decker Dawson, Founder and
Chairman of the Board; and Ray Tobias, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer.
As in the past, our call today will be presented today in three segments. Chris will come on to
discuss our financial results, I will then return for an operations update and then we will open
the call up for questions. The call is scheduled for 30 minutes and as in the past we will not
provide any guidance.
At this point, I will turn control of the call over to Christina Hagan, our CFO to discuss our
financial results.
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Nov. 05. 2008 / 10:00AM, DWSN Q4 2008 Dawson Geophysical Earnings Conference Call
Christina Hagan - Dawson Geophysical Company EVP, Secretary, Treasurer, & CFO
Thank you, Steve. First, let me state our Safe Harbor provisions. In accordance with the Safe
Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, Dawson Geophysical
Company cautions that statements made today in this conference call, which are forward-looking and
which provide other than historical information, involve risks and uncertainties that may
materially affect the Companys actual results of operations. These risks include, but are not
limited to, dependence upon energy industry spending, the volatility of oil and natural gas prices,
high fixed costs of operations, weather interruptions, the ability to obtain land access rights of
way, operational disruptions, industry competition, the ability to manage growth, and the
availability of capital resources. A discussion of these and other factors including risks and
uncertainties is set forth in the Companys Form 10-K for the fiscal year ending September 30,
2007.
Dawson Geophysical Company disclaims any intention or obligations to revise any forward-looking
statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. During this
conference call, Dawson will make references to EBITDA, which is a non-GAAP financial measure. A
reconciliation of this non-GAAP measure to the applicable GAAP measure can be found in Dawsons
current earnings release, a copy of which is located on the Dawsons website, www.dawson3d.com.
This morning we reported record revenues of $324.926 million for our fiscal year ending September
30, 2008 compared to $257.763 million for fiscal 2007, an increase of 26%. Revenue growth is
primarily the result of the addition of new seismic data acquisition crews in September 2007 and
May 2008, the upgrading of recording systems on existing crews along with increased channel counts
and productivity on existing crews.
Net income for fiscal 2008 was $35,007,000 compared to $27.158 million in fiscal 2007, an increase
of 29%. Basic earnings per share for fiscal 2008 were $4.57 compared to $3.57 in fiscal 2007. Our
EBITDA for fiscal 2008 was $81.142 million compared to $62.706 million in fiscal 2007, an increase
of 29%.
Capital expenditures of $52.861 million in fiscal 2008 were used, in part, to complete the fielding
of an additional data acquisition crew, expand channel count on existing crews, purchase additional
energy source units, and replace two I/O System II MRX recording systems on existing crews with
ARAM ARIES recording systems.
Our Board of Directors has approved an initial fiscal 2009 capital budget of $20 million. The
capital budget will be used to purchase additional recording channels, make technical improvements
in various phases of our operations, and meet maintenance capital requirements. These expenditures
will allow us to maintain our competitive position as we respond to client desire for higher
resolution subsurface images.
For the fourth quarter of fiscal 2008, we reported revenues of $84.396 million compared to $75.537
million for the comparable 2007 period, an increase of 12%. Revenue growth in the quarter compared
to the 2007 period was primarily the result of the addition of new seismic data acquisition crews
in September 2007 and May 2008, the upgrading of recording systems on existing crews, and increased
channel count and productivity on existing crews.
Our fourth quarter revenues were somewhat negatively impacted by inclement weather as well as our
inability to obtain land access agreements in a timely manner on several projects, each of which
caused disruptions to crew scheduling.
Revenues in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2007 and during fiscal 2008 continued to include high
third-party charges primarily related to the use of helicopter support services, specialized survey
technologies, and dynamite energy sources all of which are utilized in areas with limited access.
The high sustained level of these charges has been driven by our continued operations in the
Appalachian Basin, the Rocky Mountains, the Fayetteville Shale of Arkansas, and the Arkoma Basin
and we are reimbursed for these charges by our clients.
Net income for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2008 was $9.304 million compared to $8.794 million in
the comparable 2007 period, an increase of 6%. Basic earnings per share were $1.21 for the fourth
quarter of fiscal 2008 compared to $1.15 per
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share in the fourth quarter of 2007. EBITDA increased 11% in the fourth quarter from $19.377
million in fiscal 2007 to $21,547,000 in the same period of fiscal 2008.
Just a comment regarding the balance sheet, our accounts receivables increased from $56.707 million
at September 30, 2007 to $76.221 million at September 30, 2008. Approximately $4 million of that
increase is the anticipated insurance proceeds from the wild fire reported in our third quarter.
The remainder is due to increased revenues.
Our allowance for doubtful accounts is a low number, we acknowledge that. We closely monitor
extensions of credits as well as economic changes in the environment of our clients. We do not have
a history of write-offs to substantiate an increase to our allowance.
With that Steve, I will turn it back to you.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Thanks, Chris. Fiscal 2008 was a record year in revenue, net income and EBITDA. During the year we
expanded channel count to in excess of 117,000 channels company wide, added 30 vibrator energy
source units, replaced two I/O System II MRX recording systems on existing crews with the newer
ARAM ARIES recording systems, one was replaced in November of 07 the other in April of 2008.
In addition, we added one data acquisition crew equipped with the deployment of an existing I/O
System II MRX recording system in May of this year. The additional crew is a small channel count 2D
crew working the Appalachian Basin. During the fourth quarter of fiscal 2008 we repaid the $20
million outstanding on our revolving line of credit.
We currently operate 16 data acquisition crews in producing basins particularly major shale basins
all across the lower 48 states. Of the 16 crews, seven are equipped with ARAM ARIES recording
systems, six with I/O RSR recording systems, and three with I/O System II MRX recording systems.
All three systems record equivalent seismic data but differ in their operational flexibility and
channel expandability. We have been replacing the MRX systems with the ARAM systems for some time
as the MRX systems are the least flexible and expandable.
During the first quarter of 2009, we will replace another I/O MRX System on an existing crew with
an ARAM ARIES recording system, which has even more flexibility and expandability. The new ARIES II
system will be equipped with recording channels from existing ARAM crews upon the completion of
several large channel-count projects. It is our intention to continue operation of the MRX system
on the new crew for some time as an additional small channel count 2D crew working in the
Appalachian Basin.
As of today, we have one crew working in Colorado, four in the Appalachian Basin, three of which
are small 2D crews, we have two working in Arkansas, three in West Texas, one in South Texas, two
in the Barnett Shale, one in Louisiana, one in the Panhandle of Texas and two in Oklahoma. If my
math is right that should be 17.
As Chris mentioned earlier, our fourth quarter results were somewhat negatively impacted by
inclement weather and our inability to secure land access agreements on several projects in a
timely manner each of which cause disruption to our crew schedule. We are in the first quarter of
fiscal 2009 which has historically been our most difficult with shorter days, weather concerns,
some access issues, and holiday seasons.
Our current order book remains strong with commitments to maintain operations at full capacity that
would be 16 crews well into 2009. We do not anticipate the 17th crew to be up all year. While our
clients maintain the right to cancel service contracts on very short order, we have not experienced
any cancellations of projects today however we have been forced to delay the commencement of two
projects until later in 2009.
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In addition, several projects have been reduced in size due to client budget constraints. Due to
project delays and reduction in project sizes, they have had an immediate impact on our current
order book or crew scheduling.
Demand for our services remains at a high level particularly in the large shale basin, while demand
levels remain encouraging, we are watching the CapEx budget of our client base closely. We believe
pricing in 2009 will remain firm but not increasing. We continue to operate a 50/50 mix of turnkey
and day rate agreements. However we do see continued upside potential improve productivity and
efficiencies as we have said in the past.
Needless
to say the last 45 days have been stressful as weve watched our stock price decline and
the overall market decline, oil and natural gas price decline, an announcement of capital budget
reductions all across the industry. While several companies have announced their budget reductions,
we believe seismic budgets as a percentage of overall CapEx budgets have a chance to increase. I
would also add as of today, all of our receivables are in good shape and within normal turnover
rates.
There is no doubt there are challenges ahead of us. We have said many times in the past regardless
of sentiment our clients are cost conscious. The demand on our industry has been and always will be
to provide cost effective sub surface images in a short cycle time in an effort to reduce finding
and development costs for our EP clients.
We welcome that challenge as we have in the past. We have and will stay committed to our business
strategies. We retain and employ the best people in the industry. We operate with a conservative
financial structure as evidenced by our debt-free balance sheet. We provide a wide range of
services necessary to compete at the highest level. We stay focused on our core business helping
our clients find oil and natural gas in the lower 48 states. We operate the most technologically
advanced equipment and processes available to the industry and we supply our services in response
to our clients demands and needs while maintaining strong relationships with operators of all
sizes.
In conclusion, yes these are potentially difficult times yet our Company has a 56-year history of
responding to difficult times in strong fashion. With difficulty comes opportunity and we are
positioned very well to capitalize on opportunities as they arise.
With that operator, we are ready for questions.
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T I O N S A N D A N S W E R S
Operator
Thank you very much. (Operator Instructions). Well take todays first question from Marshall
Adkins with Raymond James.
Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
Good morning, Steve.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Hi, Marshall.
Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
Compare and contrast for me the environment that we have today and really looking out towards the
next year with other downturns we have had over the last decade or so, the 98 and the 01
downturns. We are kind of looking at the U.S. rig count being down
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500 rigs, 600 rigs. Historically, your business has been whacked pretty good. Is that kind of
follow the same path as we saw last time or do you think things are a little different this time
around?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Marshall, I obviously dont have a crystal ball but my gut tells me that this situation we are in
right now is a little different from where we were 10 years ago. 10 years ago, we had a complete
oil price collapse from a price of about $30 down to about $10.
And we actually stayed busy for quite some time after the first price collapse in, I guess, it was
1997 and we were predominantly in oil play then. The tool was more or less an exploration tool
being used primarily in West Texas, Eastern New Mexico, the Permian Basin area out across the
western part of the state, so we were truly an oil driven tool back ten years ago.
Today, for our Company, we have a much broader geographic expansion, were busy in the Appalachian
Basin, were busy in Louisiana, we are in Arkansas, Eastern Oklahoma, were in South Texas, West
Texas, Colorado, the Panhandle of Texas. So weve got a much broader geographic expansion from
where we were ten years ago and we are being used more in the resource plays.
We are in a situation where people have pretty large acreage positions. They have got leases that
are expiring or will expire, they need to go ahead and evaluate acreages and maintain some level of
drilling commitments. We are predominantly more dependent upon natural gas than we were ten years
ago. I am well aware that the natural gas fundamentals dont look very strong in the eyes of many
but I am one that believes that the natural gas fundamentals could change in a fairly short order
with what you are talking about, reduction in drilling rig counts and some seasonal things.
So, I really think that we are in a different environment from where we were 10 years ago. Ten
years ago, the landscape was much more competitive, there was much more capacity in the lower 48
than there is now. In 1998, we were operating six crews, I dont have the numbers in front of me
but our market share was down well below 10%, well below that. We are now the largest, we have a
broader base, we have more critical mass, more geographic expansion, I think more opportunity for
quicker turnaround than 1997.
In 1997 it felt like we were shooting out the end of CapEx budgets. Im still hearing that people
are factoring in seismic into their CapEx budgets into 09 and have some pretty encouraging
sentiments coming back from our client base into 2010 and I didnt get that feeling in 1997. Of
course, I was not sitting in this chair in 1997, but from an industry as a whole, I dont think we
had that feeling in 1997 and in 1998.
We started to see drop-off in order books fairly quickly and honestly we are not seeing that right
now. We are not getting inundated with bid opportunities every day. Obviously bids have flattened,
it is going to be more competitive for us, but I think we are in a much better position to compete
now than we were ten years ago. So, thats my sentiment Marshall.
Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
Thats kind of the way I read it too, it seems like with the emergence it seems like a new shale
play every month, and correct me if I am wrong here but most all of those, particularly ones with
water or fracturing systems, are going to need your 3-D seismic shot. So, if you would expand on
that a little bit and then also hit for a second on pricing, are you seeing any pricing pressure
yet.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Marshall, I didnt quite understand the first part of your question, can you repeat that for me
please?
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Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
On the shale plays, it seems like obviously a lot of your activities have been in these emerging
new source and shale plays. It also seems as if there is a new one that springs up every month or
two so you guys obviously would have the first look at a lot of those. Is that shale phenomenon
going to continue to drive your business outside of just the normal gas business and the second
part of that is are you seeing any pricing pressures yet?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I think the shale plays are obviously going to be a big part of our business for quite some time.
Each one of these shale plays, and I am not an operator and I am not a producer and I am certainly
not an engineer, but each one of them it has been my experience talking to our clients that each
one of them are a little bit different and the way they are using seismic and some are looking for
false patterns and disruptions, some are looking trying to see some fracture orientation and
intensity possibly to help with the fracing issues.
I think near term in our outlook near term is year, five years, ten years I dont have that number
but I think the shale plays are a big part of what we are doing. Going forward, I think with oil in
the upper 60s lower 70s, I am probably not as enthusiastic about the oil shale plays as we were
maybe six months ago, but I think any recovery in oil prices I think the oil shale plays come back
into play. And then the bottom line is in my opinion it is we are going to need oil and gas for a
long time and the demand is going to outrun supply and thats going to force us into situations
where our technology beyond the shale plays is going to have to improve.
We have talked about this in the past, either with increased channel count or multi component or
some technological advancement is going to allow us to learn more about the inside of the reservoir
than just being able to find it. And our industry is focused on that issue. We are going to try to
be able to help people with fluid differentiation and porosity and permeability and fracture
orientation.
So a long winded answer comes back to the shale play as very important short term, long term I
still think the use of our tool will be needed all across the lower 48 worldwide, in fact, and I
think our tool will advance to the point that it is helpful.
Pricing wise Marshall it is
isolated or it is regional, we are seeing pricing pressures particularly lets say in the Rockies
area, for example. We are still in a situation where in a lot of these basins there are not that
many large channel count crews available.
There is 60 or so working all across the lower 48, if you get I dont know what percentage maybe
75% or 80% of those are large channel count crews. In the lower 48, I dont see a pricing collapse
because in the last four or five conference calls, part of the pressure has been pricing. Why is it
increasing? Where do we see pricing going? Quite honestly, in my opinion, seismic has not seen the
pricing increases in the last year, year and a half, two years whatever the time frame may be that
the other service companies have had.
And so I dont think we have as far to fall. Could we see some contract negotiations vary from
where they have been in the past few quarters? Yes, but I feel pretty good about our pricing model
and our ability especially in the turnkey model, our ability to overcome any pricing softness with
increased efficiency and productivity.
Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
Fantastic. Thats helpful. I will re-queue for other questions and let someone else [ask another].
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Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Thanks Marshall.
Operator
We will take our next question from Neal Dingmann with Dahlman Rose & Co.
Neal Dingmann - Dahlman Rose & Co. Analyst
Hope I can get a shorter answer Steve.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Yes, you want a short one.
Neal Dingmann - Dahlman Rose & Co. Analyst
My question is kind of tied into Marshalls as far as obviously given what the stock has done the
perception out there is that the growth that we have seen on a year-over-year basis for the next
couple of years like a lot of other services it is maybe inclined to slow down. I would just like
to hear your comments as far as not just on a top line or bottom line but just sort of activity as
well what you see as sort of fiscal 09 growth or fiscal 09 total versus a fiscal 08 total?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I think we are still going to have capacity for growth in our Company on channel count. We have
still got three of the MRX crews out there working and well just have to see what the demand looks
like in 09. I dont see us having any crew count expansion in 2009. We will have to watch demand
very closely but we could still have some change outs in 09 of the MRX systems to the ARAM
systems, which obviously have helped us in efficiency and productivity.
On the revenue side, I think watching our costs the costs of diesel being down obviously is going
to help. Well see what happens in other areas but I think we have some room to increase
efficiency, increase productivity, watch our costs very closely. And I think the whole key to us
from an earnings standpoint, from a revenue standpoint, 09 is going to be maintaining the crew
schedule and keeping the utilization rates high.
And I think that is one place that we have really excelled in the last several years is having a
very high effective utilization rate and I think that is going to be a big key going forward. I do
not see a crew count expansion, beyond the one we are talking about, this little 2D crew is going
to stay out for a short time.
Neal Dingmann - Dahlman Rose & Co. Analyst
Did you see certain areas, whether it is Arkansas, whether it is out east that are higher as far as
both where the margins are better, where activity currently looks better is it regionally or you
look at more just sort of overall market?
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Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
We try to balance it out on the overall market. We are structured Neal in such a way that we can be
anywhere in the country on very short order. We are not trying to keep x number of crews busy in
certain regions. We have been in California and Nevada in the last quarter and so we have the
ability to move to the hot spot. I think there will be continued high levels of activity in the
Appalachian. I think Arkansas, the Fayetteville area it is going to continue to be very active I
think of course we will be watching the Haynesville situation closely and we will see how that
develops.
I would say from a margin standpoint historically we have probably done best in the western states.
They are typically turnkey contracts and they typically have the least weather issues and large
land tracks so they are easier to permit and they are easier to schedule so historically I think we
have had higher margins out west but our contracts back east are working out very well too. So, we
tend to look at it as an overall market as opposed to isolated regions.
Neal Dingmann - Dahlman Rose & Co. Analyst
Okay and then lastly, could you address what the third-party or pass through cost is, I am
wondering what you saw this quarter I dont know it looked like operating expenses maybe were just
a bit higher than I guess they had been on other quarters on a percentage basis?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
They were down a little bit in Q3; theyre down a little bit from where they were a year ago. We
are seeing less in terms of third-party reimbursables now than we did a year ago.
Neal Dingmann - Dahlman Rose & Co. Analyst
And you think going forward that will be the case with reimbursables.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I would suspect as to where we are right now, I would suspect that we will stay flat to where we
are at this point on a percentage basis.
Neal Dingmann - Dahlman Rose & Co. Analyst
As well a sort of turnkey type basis as well?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Yes, I suspect we will stay about a 50/50 mix.
Neal Dingmann - Dahlman Rose & Co. Analyst
All right, perfect, thanks a lot.
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Nov. 05. 2008 / 10:00AM, DWSN Q4 2008 Dawson Geophysical Earnings Conference Call
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Thanks, Neal.
Operator
Our next question today comes from the line of Pierre Conner with Capital One.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
Hi, good morning everybody.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Good morning, Pierre.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
Hi, maybe some specific questions, maybe Christina. The $20 million CapEx that is currently
approved, and you mentioned that includes some amount for maintenance, can you tell us what would
be the maintenance cap number?
Christina Hagan - Dawson Geophysical Company EVP, Secretary, Treasurer, & CFO
It could run anywhere from about $1 million to a couple of million dollars a year kind of where we
have been lately.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
Im sorry.
Christina Hagan - Dawson Geophysical Company EVP, Secretary, Treasurer, & CFO
Yes, I missed that, $1 million or so a quarter to about $4 million on a year.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
Got it, okay. Steve looking out, a lot of uncertainty in youve addressed that adequately, just
hard to say. But given your response to that you do have a CapEx budget to allow you to add some
more channels, would you be inclined to what indicators obviously someone specifically needed a
crew, you got your channels, would you tend to want to rent instead of purchase at this point, be
more conservative with your cash?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
We have never been much on leasing equipment. We have always felt like when there is an equipment
need they typically dont go away. It is not likely that channel count declines and so our feeling
is if you need it once youll need it again. Now, we have lease equipment on very short-term basis
that are very project specific and we would do that again. We have leased some
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isolated specialty stuff for things for very short-term projects, lets say we expand a small crew
to a large crew in the Barnett Shale, for example, for one project.
We attempt to juggle channels to the best of our ability Pierre. We have talked about this in the
past, we have talked about the metric that you measure seismic Companies. And do you measure it in
channels? Or do you measure it in crews? Or do you measure it in energy source units? What is the
metric? And we have talked for several quarters now that the metric probably isnt necessarily crew
counts and it probably isnt crew count where we had four that are 8,000 and two that are 6,000 or
whatever the numbers might be.
We have 16 central units, 143 vibrator handy source units and 117,000 channels. And where we have
been very effective Pierre and where we have been able to watch the CapEx and the leasing
positions, not just historically but going forward, is our ability to schedule crew and move
resources from crew to crew. Thats the first thing we are going to look at to maintain the capital
is can we move equipment from one crew to the other and schedule things in such a way that you are
sharing resources.
If you get to the point that you cant do that its very short term, now you lease. If it looks
like there is some legs on the project, and it may lead to something else, now you buy. So thats
the process we go through and so it would depend on the situation as it arose.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
Just you brought it up, you are still at 143 vibrator sources that you think is going to be
additional?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I think thats right.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
You didnt take 10 more that the total 30 was over the course of the year, I take it?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Yes.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
Okay. Couple of other specifics, here is a tough one. Can you quantify somewhat?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I have never quantified anything.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
I am sorry but just to give us a feel for was it two days of down time was there or how much
revenue impact pushed out of the quarter do you think with weather/access issues?
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Nov. 05. 2008 / 10:00AM, DWSN Q4 2008 Dawson Geophysical Earnings Conference Call
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I think we had one of the 2D crews down for about half a month and another one down intermittently
for half a month and another one down intermittently day at a time. So down time we were probably
maybe 30 days of crew time in total is probably a reasonable number. But it is all the peripherals
around that that affects you. Its the having to move to a different project maybe with a crew that
you did not want to use, just to keep the crew busy while they are waiting on permits.
And so you had some other factors around just the straight down time, of course we had two
hurricanes in the quarter. We had the one that came up the Rio Grande Valley and hit West Texas and
Eastern New Mexico and the impact of that was probably more to us than Ike was. We really werent
in the way of Ike.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
Do you anticipate well, I am sorry the first question was the mixture, are those delay issues
behind you now, do you still have some crews waiting or were you able to get on to ...
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
We are running at full capacity right now. All 16 crews are deployed and have been for quite some
time now. We do have some projects that were scheduled for early part of calendar 09 that have
been pushed back to later part of 09, those wont have any impact on our crew scheduling at this
point, for early 09 and we will have to see what happens to those projects but they have not been
cancelled.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
Would that say that even with the amount of uncertainty that has been thrown on to the market in
the last 30 days and again last night Pioneer was aggressive in some CapEx cuts, that holiday-type
impact had slowed down, you still expect it to be a typical seasonal slowdown or would you
anticipate a little more conservative, taking off a couple of extra days that kind of, i.e., a
bigger impact.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I think it will be a typical holiday season.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
All right, interesting. On customer mix, you mentioned geographic mix is a good thing that you did
not have last cycle, customer mix may be a little more focused at year end, do you see 09 customer
mix changing from ...
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
We saw the customer mix change from 05 to 06 to 07 to 08 and again I anticipate it will change
into 09.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
So, with the backlog that you have sort of what you know about that is sort of planned out, you see
it shift a bit.
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Nov. 05. 2008 / 10:00AM, DWSN Q4 2008 Dawson Geophysical Earnings Conference Call
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Yes I dont think it is a it is not a shift where we have huge changes but yes I see some shifts
in the client mix going forward. And we have that from 07 to 08. We have from 06 to 07 and I
think we will see it again. But I will tell you that I still think we will be very active working
for the natural gas driven companies in 09.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
All right. Steve, thanks a lot. Its real helpful. I really appreciate your perspective as always
and I am going to let some other folks get in.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Thank you Pierre.
Operator
We return for a follow-up from Marshall Adkins with Raymond James.
Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
I have a couple of quick ones. Since you did not want to answer the hurricane impact question
exactly, give me a better sense, was it a nickel a share or is it $0.25 a share for the quarter in
terms of the which one is closer? How is that?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I think we probably handled the weather down time pretty well. I dont think it was a huge impact
for us.
Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
Okay. It looks to me like in my model if you scale back that CapEx that you are going to have a lot
of excess free cash flow, maybe I dont know $30 million to $50 million of free cash flow, what are
you going to do with that? You have got no debt right? You have got cash on the balance sheet.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
We are going to watch the market as we have every time we have been a position to build a large
cash position. We will look at opportunities, we will look at growth opportunities, we will
evaluate technology, here again I dont have a crystal ball to tell you exactly what we are going
to do with it in 09 but beginning of 08, beginning of 07 I didnt have the answers as to what
the projected use of the large free cash flow was going to be.
If the market strengthens again and optimism comes back, we will be in a great position to grow in
either crew count, channel count, technological advances. If the market does go south on us and
times get tough then we will be in a great position to maintain our strength, balance sheet and
also look for opportunities as we did with a strong cash position in 1999, 2000 and 2001 when we
actually added capacity to our Company.
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Nov. 05. 2008 / 10:00AM, DWSN Q4 2008 Dawson Geophysical Earnings Conference Call
Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
Did you buy back stock or anything like that?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I dont have the answer to that Marshall and one of the issues is that we only have 7.7 million
shares outstanding anyway and so that would be something that you would look at but I would not
anticipate that at this point.
Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
All right. One last crystal ball question, I know you mentioned repeatedly you dont have one but I
just need a little help with this.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I needed one Saturday night Marshall.
Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
That was not going to be my question, do you expect to see the horns in Miami in January?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I sure
hope so Marshall. It was sure a long ride home from Lubbock getting back in at 2 in the
morning but what an atmosphere in college football I think all of that was going on but it was sure
disappointing.
Marshall Adkins - Raymond James Analyst
Thanks guys. I appreciate it.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Thanks, Marshall.
Operator
(Operator Instructions). We will go next to Byron Pope with Tudor Pickering & Co.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Hi, Byron.
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Nov. 05. 2008 / 10:00AM, DWSN Q4 2008 Dawson Geophysical Earnings Conference Call
Byron Pope - Tudor Pickering & Co. SEC Analyst
Steve, I wanted to get your thoughts on the Barnett Shale, it has been a fairly important play for
E&P companies and it has been one of the leaders from a recap perspective and now that we have got
E&P operators talking about laying down rigs, I just wanted to get your thoughts on what you are
seeing and hearing from customers with regard to demand for seismic services in the Barnett going
forward?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
We have one crew working in the Barnett Shale of the Fort Worth Basin right now. I think we are
moving another in, in very short order and we will probably have three of them working in the
Barnett by the end of the year and we have just recently received two or three more projects in the
Barnett.
So, the Barnett of the Fort Worth basins has always been a difficult place to operate because of
the urban environment. And it is getting even more difficult, but we have still got quite a bit of
work to do in the Barnett and of course if you expand that to the Barnett oil shale plays farther
north and west I think there is continued opportunity there as we have talked about earlier but I
am not sure what the oil price is going to have to be to make that happen.
Byron Pope - Tudor Pickering & Co. SEC Analyst
So, it sounds like activity levels for you guys wont be much different in the Barnett than what
they have been in the past year or so?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Not in the short term Byron, I do not think so. I think it will be steady.
Byron Pope - Tudor Pickering & Co. SEC Analyst
Okay. Then my second question just relates to off and on you guys have been working in the
Q-Land crews with some Gecos and been doing some multi-client sheets in West Texas, where are the
prospects for keeping the Q-Land crew busy?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
We are currently not operating the Q-Land at this point and we are maintaining that relationship
with Schlumberger and WesternGeco and as we have always said we hope the technology which has many
strengths and may uses, we hope the technology finds a steady place in the lower 48 and we think it
will overtime. We would hope to continue to be a part of that.
Byron Pope - Tudor Pickering & Co. SEC Analyst
Okay, thank you, I appreciate it.
Operator
We will take our next question from Pierre Conner with Capital One Southcoast, Inc.
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Nov. 05. 2008 / 10:00AM, DWSN Q4 2008 Dawson Geophysical Earnings Conference Call
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
The follow-up question is more specific, you mentioned about the contracts Steve so I just wanted
to verify, as far as any kind of projects you have lined up for customers, is it really completely
flexible? What kind of terms are they in terms of delaying or outright cancelling?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
You are asking what kind of terms they have to do that.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
Yes, with you, you have got a project, you mentioned that your order book looks good and lets say
you have got something in the March quarter, can they really pretty much just take that project off
any financial commitments at all?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
In most cases, no. In most cases, they can cancel the project in very short order, they can change
scope of the project, they can reduce its size, they can do some things in very short order. You
offset that by staying in close contact and having very strong relationships and working with E&P
companies all the way through the process. That is certainly something that can happen with the
credit crunch issues, commodity price issues, and cash flow issues. But the majority of the time
that has happened to us in the past, it has been related to drilling results or some type of
acreage position and so we have continued to have some of that.
We have continued to have some projects that have been cancelled, delayed, switched or whatever but
we have only had two projects that have been delayed and another couple of projects that have
changed in scope directly related to current environment issues.
Pierre Conner - Capital One Southcoast, Inc. Analyst
All right, thanks.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Thank you Pierre.
Operator
(Operator Instructions). We will go next to Cindy Du with Jefferies & Co.
Cindy Du - Jefferies & Co. Analyst
Good morning, guys. I just wanted a follow-up on those couple of contracts that were delayed and
the ones that were cut back in scope, were they more conventional natural gas plays, oil plays or
some of the new shale plays?
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Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
All of the above. There were some that were changed in the they were all natural gas related and
there were some that were shale plays and some that were just what I would consider conventional
gas plays.
Cindy Du - Jefferies & Co. Analyst
Okay in terms of the two contracts that were delayed, the projects that were delayed, where were
you in terms of getting the land access and the permitting?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
I think we were in good shape, I dont think access agreements were going to be an issue in either
of the projects that we are talking about, I have every reason to believe that we will see them
open up and come back late in 09, maybe as early as 2010 but I still think they are very viable
projects and something that will circle back around.
Cindy Du - Jefferies & Co. Analyst
I was wondering if you could give some detail on the 2009 budget, out of the $20 million how much
is allocated to upgrading systems versus channel count versus adding vibes?
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
We dont have any plans to add vibes at this point. We will probably have $4 million or $5 million
of maintenance CapEx. And then we have got all during the expansions that we have been going
through since really 2005, as these crews get bigger, there is rolling stock and there are other
things that need to be added that are not directly related to channel count or crew count expansion
and there is a good bit of that in there.
And the rest of it is uncommitted but planned for we will see what happens, we will see if there
is a channel count increase and if opportunities arise we will move on them. Our capital budget has
always been pretty flexible and very fluid. We have expanded, as opportunity arises and we have
contracted it in years when we needed to. So, of the $20 million at this point today very little of
it is committed.
Cindy Du - Jefferies & Co. Analyst
Okay, thank you very much.
Operator
At this time, there appear to be no further questions. I will turn the conference back over to our
presenters for any additional or closing comments.
Steve Jumper - Dawson Geophysical Company Director, President & CEO
Thank you, operator. Thank you everybody for listening into the conference call. I greatly
appreciate the questions. We are watching the situation very, very closely. Our Company is in
strong financial position, we are in a great position in terms of
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relationships and reputation. Our equipment base, our asset base is very strong, our people are
second to none and we are cautiously optimistic and we are in a position to respond to the market
whichever way it takes us.
At this point, we remain very optimistic. I want to particularly thank our employees for their
continued effort, our clients for their continued trust and our shareholders for their continued
support. As I said, we look forward to 2009 with excitement and expect to perform at the highest
level. We wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving and holiday season and we will talk to you next
quarter. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, for joining todays Dawson Geophysical Fourth Quarter
2008 Conference Call. This concludes your conference, you may now disconnect.
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