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DAWSON GEOPHYSICAL COMPANY
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affect the Companys actual results of operations. These risks include but are not limited to, the
volatility of oil and natural gas prices, disruptions in the global economy, dependence upon energy
industry spending, cancellations of service contracts, high fixed costs of operations, weather
interruptions, inability to obtain land access rights of way, industry competition, limited number
of customers, credit risk related to our customers, asset impairments, the availability of capital
resources and operational disruptions. A discussion of these and other factors, including risks and
uncertainties, is set forth in the Companys Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended September 30,
2009. The Company disclaims any intention or obligation to revise any forward-looking statements,
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Conference Call Transcript
DWSN Q3 2010 Dawson Geophysical Earnings Conference Call
Event Date/Time: Aug 04, 2010 / 02:00PM GMT
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Aug 04, 2010 / 02:00PM GMT, DWSN Q3 2010 Dawson Geophysical Earnings Conference Call
CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Steve Jumper
Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Christina Hagan
Dawson Geophysical Company EVP, CFO
CONFERENCE CALL PARTICIPANTS
Collin Gerry
Raymond James Analyst
Luke Lemoine
Capital One Southcoast Analyst
Neal Dingmann
Wunderlich Securities Analyst
Veny Aleksandrov
Pritchard Capital Analyst
A.J. Strasser
Cooper Creek Partners Analyst
PRESENTATION
Good morning. My name is Vernell, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I
would like to welcome everyone to Dawson Geophysical third quarter conference call. All lines have
been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers remarks, there will be a
question-and-answer session. (Operator instructions) Id now like to turn the call over to Mr.
Steve Jumper, President and CEO. Please go ahead sir.
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Thank you, Vernell. Good morning and welcome to Dawson Geophysical Companys third quarter
2010 earnings and operations conference call. As Vernell said, my name is Steve Jumper, President
and CEO of the Company. Joining me on the call are Christina Hagan, Executive Vice President and
Chief Financial Officer, and Decker Dawson, Founder and Chairman of the Company.
As in the past, todays call will be presented in three segments. Following opening remarks, Chris
will discuss our financial results, and then I will return for an operations update, then open the
call for questions. As is customary for us, the call is scheduled for 30 minutes and we will not
provide guidance.
Just in opening, I would say that we are pleased with our third quarter results. This is our best
quarter in terms of revenue and EBITDA since the second quarter of fiscal 2009, when the effect of
the financial crisis of late 2008 began to take hold and seriously affect demand for our services.
This is our third consecutive quarter of positive growth in revenue, EBITDA, demand, channel count
and channel deployment and needless to say, were feeling pretty good about where we are in terms
of demand and opportunities going forward.
So at this point I would like to turn control of the call over to Chris Hagan, our CFO, to discuss
our financial results.
Christina Hagan Dawson Geophysical Company EVP, CFO
Thank you, Steve. First lets go over our Safe Harbor provision. In accordance with the Safe
Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, Dawson Geophysical
Company cautions that statements made today in this conference call, which are forward-looking and
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which provide other than historical information, involve risks and uncertainties that may
materially affect the Companys actual results of operations. These risks include but are not
limited to, the volatility of oil and natural gas prices, disruptions in the global economy,
dependence upon energy industry spending, cancellations of service contracts, high fixed costs of
operations, weather interruptions, inability to obtain land access rights of way, industry
competition, limited number of customers, credit risks related to our customers, asset impairment,
the availability of capital resources and operational disruptions.
A discussion of these and other factors, including risks and uncertainties, is set forth in the
Form 10-K for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2009. Dawson Geophysical Company disclaims any
intention or obligations to revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new
information, future events, or otherwise.
During this conference call, Dawson will make reference to EBITDA, which is a non-GAAP financial
measure. A reconciliation of this non-GAAP measure to the applicable GAAP measure can be found in
Dawsons current earnings release, a copy of which is located on the Dawson website,
www.dawson3d.com.
This morning we reported revenues of $61,178,000 for the quarter ending June 30, 2010, our third
quarter of fiscal 2010, compared to $52,319,000 for the same quarter in fiscal 2009, an increase of
17%. Net loss for the third quarter of fiscal 2010 was $1,019,000, compared to a net loss of
$1,626,000 in the same quarter of fiscal 2009. Loss per share for the third quarter of fiscal 2010
was $0.13 compared to loss per share of $0.21 for the third quarter of fiscal 2009. EBITDA for the
third quarter of fiscal 2010 increased 32% to $5,591,000 from $4,245,000 in the same quarter of
fiscal 2009 and from $2,488,000 in the second quarter of fiscal 2010.
Revenues in the quarter continue to include relatively high third-party charges related to the use
of helicopter support services, specialized survey technologies and dynamite energy sources. The
higher level of these charges during the third quarter was driven by the increased demand levels
for the companys services in areas with limited access. And we remind you that we are reimbursed
for these expenses by our clients. Our balance sheet remains debt free and we have approximately
$85 million in working capital.
With that, Ill turn it to Steve.
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Well, thank you, Chris. As Chris mentioned, our third quarter highlights include a 32%
increase in EBITDA to $5.5 million when compared to the same quarter of fiscal 2009; a 17% increase
in revenues to $61 million compared to the same quarter of 2009. We redeployed 2 crews in the
second quarter of 2010 and a third crew at the end of the third quarter, just recently in June.
Weve been awarded new contracts in shale basins all over the US but particularly several large
projects in the Haynesville area of East Texas and the Eagle Ford area of South Texas. Were seeing
an increased demand for services which is leading to improved utilization rates. Chris mentioned
our debt-free balance sheet with $85 million in working capital and approximately 124% increase in
EBITDA when compared to the second quarter of fiscal 2010.
In response to increased demand, we redeployed an additional crew in June. We now operate 12 crews
in every major basin throughout the US. Utilization rates continue to improve from what we
experienced in recent quarters, particularly the first quarter of 2010, although variable wet
conditions in May and June across areas of the country continued to negatively impact our
utilization rates and core results. A more balanced portfolio of oil and natural gas projects
combined with geographic diversity and continuing operational efficiency further contributed to our
stronger Q3 results.
The third-party reimbursable charges for the quarter remain at very high levels as a percentage of
revenue. The percentage increase is related to lower crew revenue, but more importantly reflect, as
Chris said, an increase in activity in areas such as the Marcellus, Haynesville and Fayetteville
shale basins, which require more preparatory work and lead time than many other regions in the
country.
Demand for our services remains steady and is greatly improved compared to the third quarter of
fiscal 2009. For example, our current order book is at its highest level since the fall of 2008 and
reflects commitments sufficient to maintain operations of 12 crews into calendar 2011. As I said,
we currently have projects in the Marcellus Shale, Fayetteville Shale, Eagle Ford Shale,
Haynesville Shale, Barnett, Niobrara, and throughout the oil-producing basins in the western
regions of the country. In recent months, as I said, weve been awarded projects in all these
basins, along with several larger projects in the Haynesville and Eagle Ford particular.
Currently our project mix is approximately 60% natural gas and 40% oil driven. Our project sizes
range from very small projects of 10 square miles to very large projects of 500 to 600 square
miles. Our contract mix is predominantly turnkey type contracts, although we will be entering
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into several dayrate contracts in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2010. In addition to increased crew
count, our channel count utilization continues to increase. Our total channel count is
approximately 120,000 channels and we will be operating 4 crews in excess of 10,000 channels in the
fourth quarter. One of the crews will have a channel count approaching 15,000.
That said, while demand levels remain relatively high for mid-2009 levels, the US seismic market
conditions continue to be challenging. Availability of ready projects, price competition,
weather-related risk and the resurgence of multi-client surveys are among our most difficult
challenges. Over the course of our companys history, we have faced these similar challenges
before. We believe the key to our long-term success is to remain disciplined in our approach to the
business, maintain key employees and client relationships, acquire equipment as needed and stay
focused on the balance sheet.
Our project size mix and the recent strengthening of our order book should allow us the opportunity
to mitigate some of the short-term utilization rate issues we have faced in prior quarters. While
pricing is competitive, our turnkey contracts should allow us to capitalize on improved crew
efficiencies and productivity with increased channel count. However, I would caution that while
turnkey contracts allow us more opportunities to increase margins, we also bear more risk related
to weather and operational downtime.
Our commitment to helping clients identify and develop oil and natural gas reservoirs cost
effectively is as strong today as it was 58 years ago. Our disciplined growth strategy enables us
to continue to seek out new opportunities, clients, markets and applications of our technology.
Our Board of Directors approved a $20 million capital budget for fiscal 2010. Total capital
expenditures for the fiscal year today are $16,890,000, including the purchase of the 2,000
stations of OYO GSR 4-channel 3-component recording equipment reported in the first quarter and the
purchase of additional ARAM and IO RSR channels at the end of the second quarter. The balance of
the $20 million fiscal 2010 budget will be used for maintenance capital requirements and the
purchase of additional geophones. After our recent purchases, our balance sheet remains strong,
with no debt and over $85 million of working capital.
Overall, the lower 48 seismic data acquisition market conditions continue to show signs of positive
growth, certainly in comparison to 2009. There are still obstacles. Weather and land access permits
will continue to impact our results going forward, particularly with our shift toward predominantly
turnkey contracts. Pricing remains competitive and the overall pace of economic activity is
uncertain. However, we believe the opportunity to overcome the difficult pricing environment and
operational risk in our turnkey contracts exists with increased productivity and efficiency at the
crew level.
In closing, our strong balance sheet with over $85 million of working capital and no debt, our
asset base, the retention of key technical and operational staff, and our strong client
relationships, we believe puts us in position to continue to capture what we believe is the upside
of the business cycle. It is our intention to continue to operate with a conservative financial
structure, remain loyal to our employees and shareholders, while continuing to focus on helping our
trusted clients find oil and natural gas. And with that, operator we are ready for questions.
QUESTION AND ANSWER
(Operator instructions) Our first question is from Collin Gerry with Raymond James.
Collin Gerry Raymond James Analyst
Well Steve, it sounds like youre a little bit more cautiously optimistic, your tone about the
order book moving, getting some dayrate work as opposed to turnkey and maybe having a little bit of
weather slippage in the last quarter, that things are picking up. Is that a fair characterization
of how youre seeing things? And then I guess to add on top of that, you mentioned how your
competitors are moving to the multi-client model; Im wondering, does that effectively tighten the
capacity situation in North America to where maybe the proprietary market could see some pricing
that you mentioned is still pretty low?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
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We are optimistic. I think were seeing some very positive signs in the North American market.
We talked about it for several quarters, continued activity in the shale basins, particularly the
natural gas shale basins: the Marcellus, the Haynesville, the Fayetteville. Were actually seeing
increased activity in the Barnett, which I think many people felt was shot up and dead. But were
seeing increased activities in some of these more oily shales and our order book is strengthening
with projects of various sizes which allows us to maintain higher utilization rates and avoid
downtime which was really the issue we were facing, particularly in late fiscal 2009 and early
2010. So we are optimistic and I think cautiously is a fair statement. We still dont know what the
overall economic conditions are going to look like going forward but certainly for the last several
quarters Collin, were beginning to feel better not just about our company and our order book but
the overall state of the industry which I think is showing signs of growing.
The multi-client business is out there. As weve talked about in the past, it is not a business
model that we currently pursue. Its very similar to the proprietary market in that some projects
work very well and some may not work well and its certainly a factor of location, underwriting and
how things are accounted for.
I do think it is helping with capacity issues. It is a competitive market for us, but I would
caution that theres still some overcapacity still in the lower 48. I dont think were, by any
stretch of the imagination, fully utilized across the lower 48, but nonetheless weve been able to
see growth in our order book and weve got demands and requirements that our clients have projects
that we need to get done, so we put the 12 crews out there that we think give us an opportunity to
do very well financially but more importantly, meet the needs and demands of our clients.
I think the multi-client business is very active certainly in the Eagle Ford and theres quite a
bit of activity in the Haynesville and theres quite a bit of activity in the Marcellus. Having
said that, weve been awarded projects in all those areas, and so I believe were holding our own,
even with that multi-client situation. I think as demand continues to strengthen, I think well
start to see some increase in pricing. I think were starting to see a little bit of strengthening
in more of the contract terms related to weather and those types of things, more so than just a
straight pricing increase. But it remains a tough market, Collin.
Collin Gerry Raymond James Analyst
Understood. Two more questions as it relates to that. If I try to marry that sentiment with
trying to model that, it seems to me that were kind of hovering in this base level of margins kind
of in the 10% range, call it that, plus or minus, whereas back in the heyday you were getting
almost 30% and thats when you had dayrate and thats when you had pricing. If I bridge the gap it
sounds to me like if the contract terms are strengthening a little bit and you get some more
utilization and theres a better bedrock beneath the business that maybe mid teens is achievable;
is that the right way to think about it or should we think that margins right now that were seeing
are reflective of current market conditions? I know you dont give guidance, so Im trying to get
into that.
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
I was just about to say you sound like youre trying to trick me into some guidance here, but
you do have a good point. We are running margins that are 11 or 12% range and I would throw a
couple of things at you. Number one, if you can model what the reimbursable expenses are going to
be, Collin, then thats going to greatly impact what our margins look like going forward and thats
a very difficult thing for us to do. We are running at a third-party reimbursable rate right now
thats the highest weve ever had it. Weve always said that were in the 25 to 35% of revenue
range and weve well exceeded that. So that is related to two things. One, weve had lower revenue
on the crew side, but two, it reflects the increased activity in places like the Haynesville, the
Fayetteville and the Marcellus where we have to have all these third parties that Chris talked
about earlier.
So I think that is having an effect on the margins and I think as crew revenue begins to increase
and we begin to prep in areas that arent necessarily the Marcellus, Haynesville and Eagle Ford and
those third party charges do drop a little bit as we balance out the activity levels, not as much
preparatory work, I think you could see a shift in margins that may or may not drop to the bottom
line. If that makes any sense at all.
Collin Gerry Raymond James Analyst
That makes a ton of sense to me. The fact the third-party is the highest its ever been and is
well exceeding the prior range that you talk about. That trues-up a lot of the numbers, at least in
my head.
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
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And the other thing is we are going to have some dayrates and stuff. When we were back in what
youd call the heyday, we were about a 50/50 mix and thats where we were comfortable. You get
upside potential and you get some downside protection and will we get there or not, I dont know.
But I still think were down to weather and permits. Lets not call it permits, lets call it
availability of ready projects and I think our contract mix and our order book is such that weve
seen a continual mitigation of that risk related to permits.
Were not having downtimes of weeks at a time. We had 9 crews working; I called it a soft 9. Now
that weve got 12 working and I would call it a stronger 12, just based on the order book size and
diversity. Were still going to have a weather issue. I think even though were getting some
contract terms, as weve always said, even in your comment of a heyday, weather is always an issue
and its never fully mitigated. I think youre thinking along the right track without me giving you
any numbers and confirming any estimates that youve given.
Collin Gerry Raymond James Analyst
Okay. Last one for me. Im trying to understand, if we can get into the head of your customer
a little bit better, when approached if youre drilling in one of these shale plays, with a
prospect of a multi-client versus doing your own proprietary work, obviously theres a cost
tradeoff and you get to keep the data kind of a tradeoff, but could you walk us through, has the
customer mix shifted, have you seen some of your customers go exclusively from proprietary to
multi-client or is there a tendency for the majors to go one way versus the other? Maybe just help
us understand how your customer is thinking now that both sets of data are available?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Both sets of data have always been available so this has been an issue that some of the
multi-client data library providers are our customers and we work for companies that provide that
service and three or four of them in particular that we would consider very strong and important
clients to us and we maintain relationships with all those folks. I dont think anybody goes
exclusively one way or the other. I think it has to do with location and whats being done in the
area and what opportunities exist for both the E&P company and the provider of the multi-client
data library. So I dont think this model is anything new, I just think some of these shale basins
are areas where the model is starting to be used a little more.
Now, our situation, Collin, were not in the business of selling data. Were in the business of
helping our clients find oil and gas and we maintain very strong relationships with all of our
clients and were in a position that we help them not just design the survey, but permit it,
acquire it, process it, the whole bit. And so I think our order book strength reflects the fact
that weve been able to maintain our client base and maintain those relationships and I think its
more of a situation opportunity for both sides of the multi-client business, the provider and the
user, than it is just a desire to be one way or the other on the E&P companies.
Collin Gerry Raymond James Analyst
Thanks a bunch for the help. Ill turn it back.
Your next question is from Luke Lemoine with Capital One.
Luke Lemoine Capital One Southcoast Analyst
Steve, just trying to dig a little more into your order book. Could you give us some color
possibly on the contract lengths, crew size, the number of contracts in the Haynesville and Eagle
Ford?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Weve got most of the Eagle Ford and the Haynesville stuff and the Marcellus stuff and the
stuff in the Western US require higher channel count crews, so were going to be operating four
crews in excess of 10,000 channels, one will be touching 15,000. Well be operating some crews with
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about 5,000 to 6,000 channels and then well continue to have two of the smaller channel count
crews; one working in the Marcellus and one continuing to work in the Barnett. The project sizes in
the Eagle Ford tend to be larger, the Haynesville project is larger. When you get to the Marcellus,
we can have project sizes from anywhere from 20 square miles up to lets say 80 square miles. Also
of course the stuff in the Barnett, theres a lot of activity in the Barnett and all of that work
tends to be very small, 10 square miles or less or so.
So I think weve got a pretty good mix all the way across the board in terms of crew size, project
size and the number of projects. The actual number of projects I dont have for you Luke, but Im
not sure that that number really is reflective of anything, because of the diversification of size,
geographic mix and whether or not they actually get shot. Right now what were reporting are firm
commitments but our contracts are cancelable on very short order, so maybe thats the color youre
looking for, Im not sure.
Luke Lemoine Capital One Southcoast Analyst
Thats helpful. Lastly, with your order book at these levels you havent seen since the fall
of 2008, is there pretty good likelihood that we could see a couple more crews redeployed by
year-end?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
I dont think so. Were just getting projects ready, getting the 12 in the field has been an
undertaking here the last 30 days or so. Its very difficult to predict crew count. I can foresee a
situation where we have some things with very short timing issues that we may have to deploy a
small crew from time to time to get something shot, but right now I think were pretty steady with
the 12 and I think were in a position we can keep them working fairly steady.
Luke, as Ive talked about in the past, even back in 2007 and 2008, Im not sure where our crew
count will actually end up. Whats important is our channel count utilization continues to climb.
So were almost fully deployed on ARAM and RSR channels, even with the crew count down to 12 and I
dont know if well ever get back to the 16 or 14 but 12 feels pretty good right now. In response
to your comment about the order book, I guess its my comment about it being as strong as it has
been since the fall of 2008. Everything is relative. Order book strengthening is getting better but
its certainly not the level that we had 2006, 2007, early 2008 timeframe.
What were seeing is positive growth, positive signs going forward and I guess here in about 90
days Ill report back to you and tell you how it went.
Your next question is from Neal Dingmann, Wunderlich Securities.
Neal Dingmann Wunderlich Securities Analyst
You were talking about moving over more for the dayrate. I was trying to get a sense of what
do you need or what is that breakeven point, if were looking at that on a margin basis at what
point do you have to get where it makes sense or it becomes more profitable, where youd rather
have dayrates going forward?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Neal, I dont know that we have a preference either way, to be honest with you. I think in
2007 and 2008 timeframe we were 50/50 and I dont know that that was by any great design on our
part or if thats just the way the market was reacting to capacity issues. You kind of want to be
dayrates in certain parts of the country and other parts you can handle a little more risk. We do
have a couple of dayrate projects that are in front of us. I dont know that theres any
correlation between our profitability or our results to contract type. I think given the weather
condition stability, if we get good weather and good permits, I think we have a chance to do very
well under either contract. And so I dont know that I can give you an answer. And Im not trying
to avoid the question; I just dont.
Neal Dingmann Wunderlich Securities Analyst
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So Steve, it has a lot to do with the pass-through cost, I mean if you re out East and youre
shooting dynamite and using a helicopter, do you prefer on those to do?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
I think you would like to be in dayrate contracts where theres more access issues, where
theres lack of predictability on operational efficiencies, weather permits, those kinds of things.
I in no way want to lead anybody to the idea that the market is so strong that were going to be
50/50 dayrate turnkey. We do see some dayrate things coming back but theyre in isolated areas in
isolated circumstances. I dont think its a reflection of the market as a whole.
Neal Dingmann Wunderlich Securities Analyst
Got it. Last question, its like the crew that you added in June, was wondering now are you
going to see some more mobilization, I mean are you going to be moving more of the crews over
towards either the Niobrara or Bakken or some of these areas, from the Barnett or Fayetteville,
just wondering?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Its a fairly seasonal issue. Weve got quite a bit of work in the Eagle Ford so well have
some activity down there and thats an area that late fall, winter, from November to January you
have to be out of that area due to other operating issues and then back East youre going to have
some weather issues, certainly in the wintertime and up North youll have some weather, the Bakken
will have some weather issues. So I dont see any great mobilization issues coming up probably
until the first quarter of 2011, the November timeframe I think well see quite a few moves,
relocating. But right now, unless things change, we should be fairly steady for a while.
We have 2 in the Marcellus; we have 3 in the Barnett; 1 in Oklahoma headed to the Haynesville; 2 in
the Permian Basin; 2 in Wyoming; and 2 down South Texas. Thats where we are today.
Neal Dingmann Wunderlich Securities Analyst
And are you getting bid activity to consider that 13th and 14th yet?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Not yet. As I said earlier, I dont think, unless theres just a very small crew deployed to
pick up some things that may have timing issues, I think were pretty comfortable with the fact
that we believe, and given the strength of the order book and the permit situation, that we can
keep 12 working through, into calendar 2011. So I dont have any great desires to continue to
increase the crew count at this point.
Neal Dingmann Wunderlich Securities Analyst
Do you have the crews available to add a small 13th if you had to?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Oh yes.
Your next question is from Veny Aleksandrov with Pritchard Capital.
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Veny Aleksandrov Pritchard Capital Analyst
I have a couple of questions left. With everything going on in the Gulf of Mexico, do you see
any money coming from offshore and possibly increase of activity for the rest of the year or early
next year?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Veny, I dont think weve seen any impact any shift of dollars yet directly related to the
Gulf situation. I think were probably a little early to see what the effect of that is going to
be. I dont think thats had any tremendous impact on our bid activity.
Veny Aleksandrov Pritchard Capital Analyst
Thank you. We saw a rate of increase in the number of drilling rigs onshore but were they
drilling with all seismic; are you shooting new seismic now thats going to be (inaudible); whats
going on there?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Say that again, Veny.
Veny Aleksandrov Pritchard Capital Analyst
The increase in the land rigs that we already saw in the continental US, were they drilling
all seismic; apparently there is still demand for seismic, but do you think we will see the
increase in demand for seismic from now on because all seismic is already gone?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Some of these shale plays, the Marcellus and the Haynesville and some of the larger ones,
there are multiple drilling locations that are generated from seismic surveys. Its not just shoot
a survey for one location; they will have several and what that number is depends on where they are
and the size of the survey. So, I think theres drilling going on right now, particularly in the
shale plays that is related to prior seismic work. Having said that, the Marcellus is a very large
area, the Haynesville is a very large area, the Eagle Ford is a very large area, so theres a whole
lot of stuff to be shot in those areas and theres a whole lot of detailed work that still needs to
be done in all those basins. Were still seeing relatively high level of activity for us in the
Barnett.
Of course theres a lot of open areas that need new seismic data in the Bakken and Niobrara. So I
think the increase in rig count is probably a little bit detached from any predictability of a crew
count. I think over the last 20 years, I feel like in the lower 48 that seismic activity has become
more of a lagging indicator than a leading indicator and so when I first came into the business in
the mid 80s if you tracked crew count, that was a pretty good indication of what drilling activity
was going to look like.
I think as weve moved from more of an exploration tool into more of an exploitation type tool, I
think weve seen a shift in the lower 48 from leading indicator to lagging indicator. And having
said that, the crew count in the early 80s was 700 or something like that and now its somewhere
in the 30s or 40s. I dont have an accurate number; somewhere in the 40s I guess in the lower 48.
So, I think theres a whole lot of work to be done. I think its going to depend, obviously, on
drilling success and cash flows of our E&P clients. Gas prices are still a concern. I think whats
really helping is some of the activity in these oil related basins.
Your next question is from A.J. Strasser from Cooper Creek Partners.
A.J. Strasser Cooper Creek Partners Analyst
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Could you just give us a sense of where your order book I guess you dont break it out as a
number; is that right? Can you give us a sense of where it stands versus where it stood in the past
so is it back to kind of 2008 levels or just as specific as you can be. And is this the first time
were seeing it move sequentially up? Im just curious and I have another follow-up question after
that.
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
A.J. I think weve seen it increase slowly since the first quarter. Its hard to call a bottom
and I dont want to get into calling bottoms or peaks or anything like that but weve seen steady
improvement in demand since late 2009. Our order book is by no means as strong as it was in
2007-2008 timeframe but its certainly a lot better than it was a year ago and I think when I say
better, its not just the size of the order book in terms of square miles or dollars or number of
projects, whatever metric you choose; I think its stronger in terms of project sizes and mix of
oil and gas and mix of where its located. So I think all that together gives us a better chance to
increase utilization rates.
We do not report backlog in terms of dollars or months; we feel that sometimes that doesnt its
hard to anticipate when those backlog dollars pull forward into a certain quarter. So, we just try
to give the market a sense of what our demand looks like and I would call it steady, improving but
certainly not robust like we saw in 2007 and 2008.
A.J. Strasser Cooper Creek Partners Analyst
Thats really helpful. Thanks. Just another question and I think its been kind of asked but
Ill try to ask it in a different way. In terms of margins, I think your EBITDA margin kind of
roughly 10% now, obviously still way below kind of peak EBITDA margins from eight or so quarters
ago. Could we at least expect margin to remain flat to up for the foreseeable future? Is that a
fair assessment?
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Running the risk of sounding like Im avoiding the question, Im going to go back to the
weather issue. I think if weather and projects come good, I think were going to see margins
upwards. If we have weather issues and permit problems they could be flat to even down. I think
coupled with that, going back to Collins original question or earlier question, its very
difficult to predict what these levels of third party charges are going to be and if they continue
to run at a very very high level like they have in the last couple of quarters, then that could
have an impact to apparent margin.
Ill just tell you this, that our position has improved from where it has been the last three or
four quarters, particularly from the first quarter of this year. July was a little bit rough
weather wise, had a lot of rains, particularly in Texas. Weather in August has been pretty good;
were four days in and its been pretty good and I think if we continue to have good weather
conditions, I just think thats the overall factor right now is weather and permit issues.
I am showing no further questions at this time.
Steve Jumper Dawson Geophysical Company President, CEO
Okay. Well, if theres no further questions I would like to thank everyone for listening in to
our third quarter 2010 conference call. Wed particularly like to thank our employees for their
continued effort, our clients for their continued trust and our shareholders their continued
support. Wed make a note, we will be presenting at the Intercom Oil & Gas Conference in Denver on
Monday, August 23rd and with that well sign off and look forward to talking to you in another 90
days. Thank you.
Thank you for your participation in todays conference call. You may now disconnect.
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